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<rss xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title>s - Latest Comments in RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.disqus.com/</link><description></description><atom:link href="https://shumans.disqus.com/riaa_lawsuits_may_destroy_the_music_industry/latest.rss" rel="self"></atom:link><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:57:52 -0000</lastBuildDate><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400183</link><description>&lt;p&gt;My personal opinion is that with the price of entertainment today, I download everything.  If something I find is particularly good, I will go out and buy it the next day, I own over 400 official dvds, 300 official cds, and 100+ games all legal, the stuff that I keep after downloading is just filler, stuff that gets used once or twice a year and is not worth my money.  This accomplishes 2 things, no more wasted money on something that advertisements make look incredible when they really suck, and my purchases are more likely to lead the industry more towards making said good products.  Also, downloaders are completely safe at the moment, the major companies are only targeting people who are giving stuff away.  My suggestion is keep stuff unsearchable and share with people who will actually hold a conversation with you, RIAA's bots don't talk, they just search and download.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">steve</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:57:52 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400181</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I didn't read all of the comments but there were several that stuck out that reflect my opinion.  The comment regarding the sales increase becuase of Napster, the comment regard the quality of music (or should I say the lack of) that is promoted by DJs and corporate radio stations and the bad feeling RIAA is generated.  I will stay on top of plug and play technology and solutions to what RIAA is trying to do in playing 'big brother'.  But if you think I am going to pay top dollar for music I cannot play in mixed company becuase of the lackluster talent being promoted by some wealthy Madison Avenue yuppie? Think again, and I'll see you out on the Net.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Datamaster</dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:48:24 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400180</link><description>&lt;p&gt; Has any one else notice we have not heard much in the last few weeks about what the RIAA is up too?  I find that very interesting to say the least. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; It is as though they are laying low because the storm has been more than they could handle. Or perhaps they are just waiting to pound on more customers who know.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Any one have any updates as to what is going on?&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Greg</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400179</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Ok I know there is a software program out there that can't track your IP address, but I dont remember the name. Do any of you know?&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Emma</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:50:31 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400178</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Has anyone noticed that the biggest ever boom in sales of recorded music, was during the peak of napster? And, since it's end, record sales have dropped (a lot). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think we should see that file swapping is a form of cheap advertisement that encourages greater sales.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This should be a no-brainer for the RIAA.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jay.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Jay</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:23:57 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400177</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Err. Embarrasing typo in my last sentence -- should read:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would be willing to bet that they would have NOT had "billions" in losses if that simple formula would have been followed. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sorry bout that.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Paul E.</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:24:02 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400176</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Here is my view on the issue: Music is an absolutely wonderful thing; it can invoke emotions and imagination. When it does this people are willing to pay for it, but the price of $19 per CD is quite a high price to pay when you consider that the average American makes 12% LESS money ( in terms of the real world value of our dollar) than 30 years ago. So much more than just that is wrong with our economy and our current economic situation is effectively erroding away at our ability to buy simple luxuries such as an album that we would like to listen to every now and then. Especially at a cost of $19. The price of CD's has risen at a very high rate over the last ten years - and the average income of any given person has sure as Hell not kept pace. And I wasn't even talking about the average CD consumer, which is a MINIMUM WAGE earning teenager. Last time I looked, minimum wage isn't at least $7 an hour higher than it was ten years ago. If companies want to be competitive in the market they must provide a product at a competitive cost. If the company such as a MUSIC COMPANY that already has a fan base want's keep it's level of profit the same (and that's all it really has to do considering almost no price competition due to price fixing) it MUST keep it's PRICE and DISTRIBUTION MEDIUM at a point where the CUSTOMER is satisfied - I would be willing to bet that they would have had "billions" in losses if that simple formula would have been followed. END OF STORY.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Paul E.</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:21:05 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400175</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Artists need to be paid for their efforts, whether they are musicians or book writers or painters. The need for some method of payment to the artist directly is required, and at a rate that is reasonable and fair. The future of file sharing is only going to get better, and more popular, so the recording industry better wake up and smell the coffee, and get a reasonable plan up and running, or they will fade away like the eight track tape. The next thing you know they will be suing us for recording tv shows on our VCR's.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Ken</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:55:14 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400174</link><description>&lt;p&gt;What this boils down to is the corporate mentality that feels they have the power over the &lt;br&gt;average person.  And the power over their customers. They feel that if they say jump we will &lt;br&gt;ask how high. Well guess what we are not jumping and every one should stand their ground &lt;br&gt;and not buy another CD or Tape for the next two months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We are already seeing the results of the music industry  in ability to deal with the public and they are starting &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;to feel the sting. The music industry is about at rock bottom Oh they say it is because of the fact&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that P2P is still taking place and that people are downloading music.  The fact is folks the major&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;drop in sales took place after the RIAA filed the law suits.  Guess what Their customers are starting &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;to talk loud and clear. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the RIAA had best rethink their actions they are about to be a lobby for &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;an industry that is a has been.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The smartest thing that the RIAA can do at this point is to regroup and approach the customers that buy &lt;br&gt;music and DOWNLOAD music and come up with ways that will benefit each side.  Simply put they are &lt;br&gt;on the losing end of the stick.  With 60 million people downloading I would think it would not take long &lt;br&gt;to for them to see the light.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would not mind paying a small fee for a download providing their are NO &lt;br&gt;restrictions on the download for my personal use.  Another words to be able to download it put it on a &lt;br&gt;CD or copy to a tape for my own use.  With out any protection on the music media preventing it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now if the bands were smart and some of them are they would brake lose of the cut throat labels and &lt;br&gt;branch out on their own.  I really don't see were the complication is in this.  Other than the fact&lt;br&gt;you have Labels that want to make millions off of the music they produce.  And produce for pennies and &lt;br&gt;turn around and sell for 15 or 20 bucks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is time that the public make its stand and let the music industry know we are mad as hell and we are &lt;br&gt;not going to take it any more.  Their tactics are not welcome now or ever and they need to fully understand&lt;br&gt;that they are not dealing with sheep.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Greg</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:40:11 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400173</link><description>&lt;p&gt;MP3 THIEVES ARE RUININ THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE ALL THESE LITTLE KIDS ARE GETTING HARD WORK FOR FREE AND TREAT IT LIKE ITS THE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK BECAUSE THERE GETTING IT FOR FREE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH GOES INTO IT. I'M NOT SAYIN ARTIST SHOULD BE WORSHIPED OR IDOLIZED. THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD BE IDOLIZED IS GOD.  BUT ARTIST SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS HARD WORKING BUSINESS TYPE PEOPLE.  THAT LACK OF APPRECIATION IS KILLING THE ARTISTRY. ARTISTS ARE BEING FORCED TO COME OUT WITH MORE FREQUENTLY BECAUSE THEIR MATERIAL IS BEING DISPOSED OF SO QUICKLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE IT AS MUCH.  THIS MEANS THERE SPENDING LESS TIME ON CREATING WHICH LEADS TO BORING RECORDINGS. SINCE MP3'S TOOK OVER, A NUMBER OF GREAT ARTIST SOLD OUT THEIR CREATIVITY TO FEED THIS DISPOSABLE MARKET. THAT MEAN WE MISSED OUT ON GREAT RECORDINGS. IT WILL BE VERY HARD FOR TRUE ARTISTS TO DEVELOP UNDER THIS SOCIETY THAT DOWNLOADS HARD WORK FOR FREE. I want to hear creative things. Their inspiring to me. I haven't been inspired by a recording since MP3's.  That why I support the R.I.A.A's actions to against you! And I'll support your prosecution. If you do have stolen music on your hard drive you will be prosecuted.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">ILLUMiNICE</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:01:16 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400172</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the statement that, "if the RIAA's user-hostile plan succeeds, then they will directly accelerate the creation of an adversary that is beyond their ability to contain." &lt;br&gt;Nevertheless, I think the bigger question is whether or not the Digital Millenium Act is enforcable. Alternatives aside, this Act has proven that the law has not caught up with technology. Millions are downloading and those numbers are growing exponentially, the RIAA doesn't have snow balls chance in H--- in going after them all, and I think they know it. &lt;br&gt; What they have done is brought themselves to the attention of the federal government. I would like to see them in front of a Congresssional committee answering questions the RIAA doesn't want answered. My faith in Congress may be misplaced, however, 60 million downloaders carry alot of votes.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">M</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:48 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400171</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Raul, You are the reason.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">John</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:27:39 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400170</link><description>&lt;p&gt;John you are a jerk. Shut up. I dont want to ever read one of your posts again. The recording industry is trying to suck everyone dry. All of the sudden it seems to be good business practice to sue your customers. What are these people thinking?&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Raul</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:52:32 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400169</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I do not endorse doing anything illegal and obviously there are laws being broken. But why couldn't the RIAA see the advantages in this and coming up with a bright idea. Perhaps a 24 hour trial of a tune, where it goes from high quality audio to a much lesser quality after first being played. Most software companies offer at least a 30 day trial version of their software. Lets face it, they were left in the technological dust of the younger generation.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Danny</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:10:57 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400168</link><description>&lt;p&gt;IT REALY SIMPEL TO SHOW WHO IS IN CHARGE US ARE&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;RIAA THEY FIRED THE FIRST SHOT LETS FIRE THE NEXT  THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM AND THEY USE THE SAME INTERNET WE USE  IF THE LAW SAYS THEY CAN INVADE WHY CANT I  RIAA&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IS A BS CORP JUST LIKE ENRON  IT IS PULLING THE WOOL OVER THE EYES OF THE COURT I SAY LETS START A CYBER WAR ON RIAA AND SEE HOW THE LIKE BEING SCREWD WITH JUST LIKE THEY SCREWD WITH THAT 12 YR OLD GIRL&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">DINKYDAU</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:07:10 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400167</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I have been reading a number of the post from the last few days. A large majority feel that the RIAA is dead wrong I feel the same way. Simply put the others don't and it is their right to feel that way. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do agree with a statement that was made a few post up that the RIAA is strictly a Lobby for the large music companies.  We need to get a list of the labels that are associated with the RIAA and refuse to purchase their products. Folks it is real simple start hurting them in the pocket book and you will see the RIAA and their members start back peddling real fast.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have no problem with doing this any time a big corporate industry feels it is ok to file a lawsuit against a 12 year old. I will go out of my way to teach them a very important lesson. Some people like to be treated as cattle. I for one will not stand for it. I would guess that 99% here would not stand for it either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I will go out to the RIAA site and Get a list of their members.  And I will write each one letting them know I will not stand still to let them and the RIAA force their customers into submission.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Music Industry and the RIAA have gotten away with this far too long, and it is time they realize people are not going to stand still for it any longer.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Greg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:53:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400166</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Have you ever come up with a melody or lyrics? Did you capture these ideas with a recording device? Did you pay a fee to copyright them? Who, invests their time and money on these things? If you have been lucky to make a living from these&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;things, congratulations to you. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Support the creative minds, that is most important. All else fades without value.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"Let the little guy, get a piece of the pie"; Reduce his cost, new tracking, online distributor models. You will sufficiently reduce your initial production costs by using sample rate tracking methods. A&amp;amp;R responsibilities should expand technically as well as talent budgeting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All good ideas are worth copyrighting, right?&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Ron Everett</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 06:33:52 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400165</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I remember a few years ago there were people both average Joes and high profile folks who were pleading with the entertainment industry in general and the music industry in particular to stop promoting songs that glorified "cop killing" and all sorts of illicit sex.  The music industry collectively hid behind the First Amendment, which, by the way won't protect a child if he says Grace over his lunch in a public school.  The music industry wound up offering a meaningless and optional ratings system to which nobody really pays any attention.  Now, it seems as these people who were promoting all this music encouraging and promoting the attitude, "If it feels good, do it", are, as the Bible puts it, reaping the whirlwind. All of a sudden these people want you and I to start paying attention to the Ten Commandments--well, at least the one that says, "Thou shalt not steal".  Of course, these people do not mention the fact that they overprice CD's to beat the band-no pun intended. I would urge anyone downloading music--even if you think it's legal--STOP.  Two wrongs do not make a right.  But take one more step.  DO NOT GO INTO THE RECORD STORES.  Before too much time has passed, the music industry is going to have to come up with another explanation of its sagging sales, especially if 50% of people stop downloading and the sales in the stores are still dropping.  Maybe they'll be forced to admit that most of the so-called music produced today isn't even worth the price of the free download--and that's BEFORE you get sued.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Name</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:49:14 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400164</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Whether you like it or not, the RIAA companies own the copyrights. It is their property! Huffing and puffing and keeping on about peoples' rights may make you feel better but it is still does not reverse this fact. They can choose to do what they want with this property. They may have gotten hold of these rights by somewhat questionable methods but it is still theirs! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Suing children and old people is nothing more than bad p.r. and one must question the quality of their legal advise. They have made themselves appear a bunch of heartless thugs and probably encouraged people to write software that will beat any of their efforts. The fact remains that the music is still their property and you can't just take it because you like it, any more than you can take my car just because I choose not to sell it to you with all the wheels.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are very bad business people. I have lots of downloaded music from the 50s and early 60s that is no longer available. I would certainly love to buy a high quality download at a reasonable price but I can't do it because they won't make it available. ( I am looking for Boomerang by Donny Brooks) I am still breaking the laws by doing this and just have to accept this fact and either choose to live with it or erase the music. The problem is mine.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The industry can make a big profit, if it choses. They do not seem to want to take this route even though it is obvious that technology is changing. Talk about Ludites! The fact remains that they own the music!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You live in a capitalist system. The rules of that system say that the owner of any capital, in this case copyright, should maximize the profit that they make in any way that they choose. They can try to charge $£100 if they think that they can get away with it. They may be in a monopolistic position but that remains their right and they own the music.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You, as the consumer have one right. You do not have the right to steal something because you don't like the way the owner chooses to maximize their property. You DO have the complete and absolute not to buy the product. In the capitalist model, the owner will now either lower their price and change their marketing strategy or go out of business. In the latter case, the rights to their music will be sold to a more market conscious business or it will become public domain.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So please stop whining! You have three choices.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 1) Accept the fact that you are stealing it and continue to do it. You have the moral decision.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) Stop downloading the music. It does not belong to you. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;3) Stop downloading and stop buying. Maybe a little capitalistic pressure will do the trick.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just remember that you may WANT music but you DON'T need it&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;PS if you have an original, copy it and give away the original, you are the thrief. If you give the copy to the friend, then they are the thief. (some friend you are) If you make copies to your computer and onto take or CD and only use it yourself, that is perfectly legal.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Jim</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:26:19 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400163</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I can only agree and repeat what others have said. What about all the money I've spent on repeat buy's of 8-Tracks or LP's then cassettes and now CD's. What about the network of freinds and freinds of freinds who trade and share CD's at school or work to take home and copy. Since there has been ways of reproducing recordings someone has been copying. I've recorded whole albums from the radio when they play the midnight album of the day. I now download unrecoverable or irreplaceable music if I can find it, and a lot of the music that is available on such areas as say Kazaa are not top quality are mislabled and mis represented. And top of all this how come Bands like Grand Funk RR who sold out arenas faster than anyone in the history of Rock and Roll didn't make any money? The Beatles don't own their songs? John Fogerty of Creadance Clearwater Revival went through the court system (as shabby as it is) just to be able to play his own music in public? Why did the Osbourns not associate with Sharons Father for all those somany years? Because the Record Companies Ripped them off, stole from them, Talked them into bad Deals, and more or less got rich off the sweat of others and still want to do so because if it weren't for the real musical talent of others where would these theives be? Hopefully where their going to end up anyway, HELL&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Dibby</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:05:20 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400162</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Another little blurb in relation to what Chuckie said: He is completely right.  The RIAA is just a puppet following orders.  The real "mafioso" is the recording labels.   I know this for a fact because my Dad has an extremely large Christian web site that he had posted many midi's on for listening to while you browse or for downloading.  He made sure that all the midi's that he had posted had no indication of copyright. However, this wasn't good enough.  BMI (affiated with BMG) *CALLED* him and told him he was in violation of copyright infringement and that he either had to pay to have the midi's up there or take them down. They were nice enough to give him the option at least.  But here's the kicker:  When he asked "Which songs?", they wouldn't tell him but gave him a site to go to that would tell him which songs were copyrighted. When he went to that site, they had songs like "Amazing Grace" and many others that ARE NOT COPYRIGHTED.  WHY???  Because they had an artist that had recorded a peice of music called "Amazing Grace" and so they copyrighted the music AND the name.  So they say.... However, this later didn't hold up in court, but in the process, the Midi industry has all but died because of these jerks....  THESE are the people who are behind the RIAA.   I say boycott BMI/BMG and all their affiliates!  We need someone who can research all the companies in the RIAA and make a list so we can stop buying their music!  There are plenty of overseas label companies to buy from.  Hey, a little "integration" of european music wouldn't hurt now would it?  :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Mic</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:52:32 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400161</link><description>&lt;p&gt;There are a couple things I'd like to say, though I'm sure it's probably been said already.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like classical music.  Certain pieces of classical music can be hard to find, specifically music from the ere of Bach and Handel.  I have used P2P to find this music since I have been unable to find some of it online.  Let alone going to my local music stores which are filled with popular music of today.  I *hate* music stores because of the kind of people who I find there who like the "music" with 50 cuss words in 5 minutes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Secondly, when I find the classical music I like online, it's rare to find it at more than 128kbps quality.  Now that level of quality may be fine for your steam factory style music (rock), but for classical music you must have perfection.  This means that though the music I downloaded may be illegal, it sounds horrible because the recording level is poor.  Even at 192kbps some violin music is terrible.  Violins "warble" at anything less than 230kpbs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having said all that, I download the music for purposes of finding something that isn't attainable.  I also download music for purposes of finding out what a particular song sounds like.  If I want to buy a CD, I check all the songs on the internet first, then if I like the songs, I go get the CD.  Because as I said, I hate being in a music store and if I'm going to there, I want to go in, get the CD and get out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In reality, I completely agree with what has been said about the RIAA.  They are going about this whole thing wrong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HOWEVER, Sharing copyrighted material IS illegal.  I don't allow uploading on my computer because I don't have anything that is legal for me to pass on. If I did, then I most certainly would pass it on and there would be nothing that the RIAA could do about it since it would be "public domain" software/music.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that exposure is the key to rescuing the music industry.  There are so many music groups out there that most of us haven't even heard of, simply because they are trying to go through their producers.  Fact is, there are many muscicians that have put their music on the internet and have had increased sales because of it.  Why?  Because of the same reasons I have for downloading music.  "Try before you buy".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How many of you have an MP3 player in your car?  I do...  I've created CD's with 8 hours of music on them.  I've TRIED creating CD's with music that I downloaded off the internet.  That was a mistake.  The songs I downloaded are mostly 128kbps and they are quieter than my own high quality MP3's and so I'm constantly having to adjust the volume on my stereo. Not to mention the poor quality.  The only MP3 CDs I enjoy listening to in the car are the MP3 CDs that I created from MY OWN collection of CDs. NOT downloaded CDs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All that being said, there are three things I've learned from this whole situation:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Downloaded music isn't as nice and they think it is cause it's not good enough to really use in most cases.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Downloading music that isn't yours is stealing. Uploading music that isn't yours is illegal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. The RIAA is a bunch of crooks that just wants money that wouldn't be theirs in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;******************************&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am going to go to my local Bookman's, Books-a-Million, and Borders (when I'm there anyway) and I'm going to talk to the manager and tell him that I will not be buying any music from his store until the RIAA backs off.  And that I'll be buying any music I get from overseas sites or directly from the musicians.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;******************************&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Mic</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:35:19 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400160</link><description>&lt;p&gt;There is another major problem here that is being overlooked.  Copyright &amp;amp; patent laws were designed to allow the originator of an idea or work the opportunity to earn a profit from their work before it was put in the public domain, to be used as source material for additional works by others.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Patent Law still works in this manner.  However Congress at the request of coporations who have control or ownership of popular materials, has decided that copyright should not expire.  For the last 30 years or so, each time the sopyright law would allow rights to lapse, the period of exclusivity has been extended.  The original law stated 20 years then the work was Public Domain.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Currently most work produced in or after the year 1928 may not be used without the Owner's permission (try getting that from an unknown owner)  The latest extension is courtesy of the corporation known as Disney.  It seems that the copyrights on Mickey Mouse were due to expire.  Congress reacted to this potential corporate disaster by updating the Copyright laws to prevent Mickey from being made available to any artist who wished to create new work without Diney's corporate permission.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In music this means that the recordings released in 1928 or later are copyrighted and unavailable unless you can locate a licensed recording.  I have 45s &amp;amp; 78s that have never been rereleased and a BBC callin program apologized for playing a pre WWII 78 on the air since it was the only copy of the request they found in a worldwide search.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The real loss comes not from the RIAA but from Congressional action prohibiting the copying of works that have been buried.  Brenda Lee &amp;amp; Bing Crosby regularly reappear, now try to find some of their more obscure contemporaries.  For that matter try finding Bing's "Pistol Packin' Momma" on a modern recording.  If you were able to buy the recording fine, if you had to copy it because the owner wouldn't sell &amp;amp; it was the only one you found tough luck. if you copied it citing unavailabilty as an excuse that's a crime under Copyright Law.  Remember it's the Copyright Holder's right to refuse to distribute.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you like a band, write to them &amp;amp; suggest they set up a page with an outfit like &lt;a href="http://MP3.com" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="MP3.com"&gt;MP3.com&lt;/a&gt; (others similar are out there too)  This allows direct sales as links to other sources are in the info.  Samples &amp;amp; suggestions are offered as well.  Encourage your favorite artists to join an online distributor and then help promote the ones you patronize.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;***Boycott the RIAA...buy from unaffiliated distributors &amp;amp; bands :)***&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;P.S.  Contact your Senator &amp;amp; Reprsentative and let them know that you a voter would vote for someone who supports the original intent of the Copyright &amp;amp; Patent laws.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Fred Reinders</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:40:56 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400159</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Remember... the RIAA is NOT the real villain. The RIAA is a representative group that is paid by the major record labels. They are essentially a lobbying group who has gotten way more power than they ever should have. It is okay to be angry at the RIAA because they are the public figurehead of this whole mess, but your vehemence should really be targeted at the profiting companies that use the RIAA to represent them. The major record labels are the ones hiding behind the RIAA as a publicity shield. Sony and Warner don't want you to hear thet THEY are suing a 12 year old girl, so they have their lobbying group, the RIAA make all the public statements... but if you look at the actual lawsuits... the RIAA ISN'T THE PLAINTIFF. The copyright holder/owner is, which is the RECORD LABELS. The RIAA is a patsy, albeit, a willing one... but the real villains are the major labels who hide behind the RIAA as if they are not involved. If anyone on this board becomes a target of the RIAA, you are really becoming a target of the record labels who are telling the RIAA to go out there on this witch hunt. Artists do not choose to be represented by the RIAA, the artists' record labels choose that. There are ways to harm the record labels without harming the artists. Send the artists fan mail telling them you support them artistically, but you refuse to purchase their albums. Then go see them in concert instead. They make a greater percentage of performance money than they ever do with albums sales. Personally, I don't buy CDs anymore (I bought over 2,000 of them in the 90's), but I have converted my entire collection to MP3. I don't share them on the web, but I burn collections onto CDs for my friends. That is a gratifying feeling, because my friends get to hear music they never would have heard any other way, and the artists get new fans at their concerts, all without me or my friends paying high CD prices for the record labels' greed. If you want to know THE REAL reason why CD sales have slumped, this guy has done a great job of sifting through the RIAA's OWN NUMBERS to illustrate how the record labels aren't releasing as much material as they were a few years back. Could that be the real reason? Check out all the numbers and you decide.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html"&gt;http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;:D&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Chuckie</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:55:20 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: RIAA lawsuits may destroy the music industry</title><link>http://shumans.com/articles/000028.php#comment-15400158</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Does anyone remember when the small barber shop in some small toown was sued? The industry assiciation stated it was because they let their customers listen to the radio while they were waiting or getting haircuts and thus was commecial use of the music and the artists deserved royalties. This has gotten so far out of hand that it makes the entire music industry look like hungry vultures without a conscience and concern for their loyal fans and those who pay their way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RIAA is biting the hand that feeds it. I have stopped all CD purchases and will listen to whatever I wish from the airwaves until this idiocy is stopped.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bruce</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:28:26 -0000</pubDate></item></channel></rss>